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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 16, 2008 2:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do I have this about right, Diana?

Morning He Live's. I wonder if we can once and for all cut through to archive's problem with your links. I'm a bit of an idiot when it comes to coding so if I say dumb things here I'm sorry, but here we go anyway.

First off, when I click your link it plays, as you intended, It's All Over Now from 10-15-76. This is the address your link points to:

h..p://ia301140.us.archive.org/0/items/gd76-10-15.sbd.sacks.251.sbefail.shnf/gd76-10-15d1t04_vbr.mp3

The problem is that it's in the http//iaxxxxxx format, which we are reliably informed is discouraged because it causes issues with the servers (what these issues might be is beyond my ability to grasp).

I assume that you extracted this link from the source code for the gd76-10-15 page as there is no way that I can find to copy a link for individual tracks from a streamable only source. This I believe is the point Diana is making when she says 'keep the pointers to stream-only filesets here streamable (only)' - in other words do not offer up links that give access to files from 'stream only' sources that can then be easily saved - as yours does. It is legitimate to link to the whole streamable concert

http://www.archive.org/details.php?identifier=gd76-10-15.sbd.sacks.251.sbefail.shnf&;newflash=1

but not to individual tracks.

On the other hand, providing links to individual downloadable, i.e., aud, tracks is a cinch and perfectly legitimate:

http://www.archive.org/download/gd76-10-15.bertrando.vernon.11655.sbeok.shnf/gd76-10-15d1t04_vbr.mp3

I hope that helps a little. Let's move on and continue to enjoy this wonderful music.


This post was modified by robthewordsmith on 2008-05-16 09:01:52

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Poster: He Live's Date: May 16, 2008 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do I have this about right, Diana? A. Rossi?

hey rob.....

i think you are right.... i am guessing this is also what is behind the NEW PLAYER.

i am on a MAC as well and i think this leads to my confusion/perspective. i have never been able to figure out how to save one of these "downloaded" files as i understand many PC users have. when i right-click on a track from the "old player" i can "download" the file -- this causes the track to simply open and play in a new window. this is the file address i attach to a pic. ignorant as i am, i have never been able to find any of these files stored in a cache on my computer -- they could be there, but i have never managed to figure out how to save one of these files. once i close the window, it's gone.

enabling other people to download files is obviously not my intent. i simply like making links w/in the post, and doing it via a cool pic is just more fun. if i have the time and energy, i like getting into the old venues and doing a bit of research on the history of the locations and shows, and linking to outside sources in the posts.

regarding the use of AUD v SBD, you may be right -- but Diana was not very clear in her response -- and i don't understand why it would make the slightest bit of difference what track on the Archive i point to. the issue would seem to be one of "enabling others to download." perhaps.

we're all just trying to turn each other on with the music -- for the most part, that is why everyone is here -- i think. i used the address format Diana requested and they still killed my last link, so, i am waiting for a more explicit response as to what is wrong.....

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 16, 2008 9:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do I have this about right, Diana? A. Rossi?

It may well be that the issue of downloading tracks from soundboards is a major part of the problem here. Your links to individual soundboard tracks load them as mp3s, which can be easily saved. It isn’t necessary to “download” a file from the player in order to listen to it – simply click and let it play.

Fundamentally the only sure way that I can see of preventing soundboard downloads is to take them away altogether – and I believe you’ll agree with me that that is an outcome we seriously want to avoid. So please, can I ask you, for the greater good of the community, to avoid linking to soundboard tracks? Making links is fine and dandy, it’s a great thing to share our finds, but let’s do it in a way that doesn’t put free access to the music at jeopardy.

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Poster: ducats Date: May 16, 2008 5:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do I have this about right, Diana?

I'm clueless as well. What's the chances that she is just trying to get you to stop because of the same old reasons?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 16, 2008 5:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do I have this about right, Diana?

At a rough guess - zero.